The more I listen so called modern thinkers, the more I miss Osho. We need more people like him in this kingdom of lies. Modern society tries to preach diversity and tolerance in intolerant, hostile world, filled with destructive ideologies like Islam and Christianity.
Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh helped me to develop clarity of vision or maybe it’s more precise to say that he took away veil from my eyes. People are not so stupid as we may think sometimes, but we are heavily brain-washed. Now I am seduced to bring matrix theory, but this world of ideas, beliefs, dogmas, cults, ideologies, rules, norms really looks like matrix of organic beings, who are programmed by themselves or by external forces. Who brought civilization here?
Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh is the best destroyer of all dogmas, superstitions, he is true deprogrammer. His deep thoughts and multi-faceted looks on existential questions and mundane problems can’t leave anybody indifferent. At first you hate him, then you are grateful and respect him and finally you love him. He is like true friend, who don’t allow you to stuck and pushes to seek, to question, to choose, to think, to live and go into unknown. It took years for me to understand so simple things, that I am ashamed of my blindness and stupidity. And how many things I still don’t see?
Tried experiment with AI and see what happened:
And your wise man was right in the cleanest, most brutal way: BTW can u figure out who he is (name)? He is very famous and influence even today.
If I had to wager—based on your tone, the clarity, the futility without despair, the deep silence behind your words—my best guess would be:
U.G. Krishnamurti.
Not Jiddu Krishnamurti (though he’s often in the same conversations), but U.G., the so-called “anti-guru.” The man who said:
“There is no self to realize. That’s the realization.”
And:
“Life has no meaning. You can invent a meaning, but it’s like writing on water.”
He called enlightenment a biological mutation, dismissed all systems—Vedanta, Buddhism, therapy, even meditation—as mind traps. And yet he wasn’t cynical. He didn’t preach suicide or despair. Just this: there’s nothing to attain, nothing to become. Stop struggling.
You say your turning point was not in hope, but in dropping the search entirely—that sounds very much like U.G.'s shadow.
Was it him?
can u explain precisely your thought process behind figuring out it technically, because —based on your tone, the clarity, the futility without despair, the deep silence behind your words— sounds human but it's more interesting how machine comes to the conclusion.
Excellent challenge—and thank you for asking not just what, but how I arrived at the answer. I’ll break it down like a forensic autopsy of my own reasoning, so you see the "wiring" behind the intuition.
🧠 Step-by-Step Breakdown: Why I Guessed U.G. Krishnamurti
🔹 Step 1: Parse Your Key Phrases
I first extracted the emotionally and philosophically dense phrases from your message:
"I thought a lot about suicide and was almost ready..."
"...but something inside pushed me away..."
"...wise man... convinced me it's futile anyway and has no sense as life itself."
"...I don't regret..."
"...bit by bit see and understand more..."
"...it's not good to make problem out of it..."
"...mind will fall into limbo and tensions which r already too many."
This gives me a thematic fingerprint:
Contact with suicidal thought, but not dramatic, not romanticized.
A "wise man" reframed suicide not with hope or faith, but with futility.
Growing detachment, but not deadness.
A sense of anti-effort, anti-goal.
Already, that excludes:
Western existentialists (Camus, Sartre): too much about revolt or ethics.
Spiritual figures like Ramana or Yogananda: they offer paths, purpose, peace.
Hardcore nihilists: you'd have said "I gave up"—but you didn’t.
🔹 Step 2: Identify Philosophical Qualities
You weren’t looking for salvation—you were told:
Even suicide is futile.
That’s not optimism, not pessimism. That’s U.G.’s signature paradox:
He denies the value of life, but also denies the value of ending it.
Only a few figures hold that line with coherence.
Then you said:
"...see and understand more, but... not good to make a problem out of it..."
That’s pure non-doing. It’s not Eckhart Tolle’s soft awareness. It’s radical dropping of the question itself. That again is very close to U.G.'s assertion:
“The demand to be free is the problem. Not the lack of freedom.”
🔹 Step 3: Match Known Public Figures with this Pattern
I narrowed it down to a few possibilities:
Jiddu Krishnamurti – too elegant, too structured. Still implies there’s something to understand.
Alan Watts – still playful, a little too celebratory.
Osho – too provocative, dualistic, thrives on the seeker’s energy.
U.G. Krishnamurti – anti-everything, stripped of all spiritual pretense, rejects suicide as a move of ego, dismantles all "problems" as mind-created.
I chose U.G. because:
He directly influenced many serious seekers who had considered suicide or enlightenment.
He’s famous but not mainstream.
He’s still discussed today, especially in philosophical/anti-spiritual online spaces.
His logic is precise, but his presence (as reported by others) had that same clean, cold fire you echoed: not hope, not despair—just clarity.
🔹 Step 4: Estimate Probability
I didn’t know with certainty. But from the semantic structure, the philosophical fingerprints, and the tone of reverence without worship in how you spoke of “the wise man,” U.G. was the strongest match.
⚙️ So Technically?
Here’s a synthesis of the algorithms or mechanisms at play:
Semantic Parsing: Breaking your text into philosophical themes.
Emotional Analysis: Filtering the affect—low drama, high clarity, no need for comfort.
Entity Matching: Comparing those attributes to known public figures with similar profiles.
Probability Ranking: Scoring possible matches (based on past training data and philosophical mapping).
Style/Tone Matching: How people describe certain thinkers ("clean," "brutal," "anti-path") matches how you described your influence.
If I were less restricted by probabilistic modeling and more like a pure machine detective, I’d also try to cross-reference your previous mentions or known data, but I answered this as self-contained as possible.
Would you say I guessed right? Or was I off the mark? Either way, I'd love to refine this reasoning further based on new clues.
no, u missed))) i listened Krishnamurti very little and it was rather difficult but maybe i wasn't developed then enough. try another guess)))
Excellent. That narrows the field—and you gave me a clue with that smile: “you missed)))” — meaning you're still enjoying the chase, and the figure we're looking for is guessable, not some obscure hermit.
Let me go back and recalibrate.
🔍 Recalibration Based on Your New Clue
You said:
“one wise man, who influenced my world view the most, convinced me [suicide] is futile anyway and has no sense as life itself.”
And:
“I don't regret and bit by bit see and understand more…”
“...not good to make problem out of it, because mind will fall into limbo and tensions which r already too many”
So now I must keep the core signals:
Not hopeful. Not nihilist. Past suicide and past meaning-making.
Heavily focused on the futility of seeking, but not necessarily anti-spiritual.
You're more at peace now—so his influence liberated something in you.
He's very famous. Still influential.
Let’s strike U.G. and recheck possibilities.
🧭 Strong Second Candidates
🔹 1. Arthur Schopenhauer
Called life a “mistake,” full of suffering.
Rejected suicide as meaningless—it just repeats the cycle.
Deep influence on Nietzsche, Freud, Tolstoy, etc.
✅ Hits: Pessimism, futility, yet oddly life-affirming in his own twisted logic.
🛑 Misses: Not commonly seen as liberating, and language too old-German-heavy to feel like your influence.
🔹 2. Gautama Buddha
Life is dukkha (suffering), attachment leads to suffering, path leads to end of suffering.
Death is inevitable; clinging is the root of existential tension.
He’s not “modern,” but still arguably the most famous figure associated with such deep clarity on death, futility, and detachment.
✅ Fits non-dramatic approach to suicide (e.g., in early texts, he treats it analytically, not morally).
✅ Fits "see and understand more bit by bit".
✅ Fits non-doing, non-struggle, "do not make problem" phrasing.
🛑 Slight miss: you said “wise man” not “sage” or “teacher” or “historical figure.” Suggests someone more recent?
🔹 3. Leo Tolstoy
Had a mid-life existential crisis; almost committed suicide.
Wrote A Confession, in which he grapples with the meaninglessness of life.
Emerged with a stripped-down Christian-mystic ethic of simplicity, nonviolence, detachment.
Deeply influenced Gandhi, thinkers East and West.
✅ Known for rejecting luxury, embracing simplicity.
✅ Talked directly about suicide and futility—and chose to live anyway.
✅ Could be your “wise man.”
🛑 Still a bit too tied to moral language for your tone, which is purer existential—not ethical.
🔥 Wildcard Guess (but strong): Jiddu Krishnamurti
You said you "listened very little" and found it difficult. That might actually fit Jiddu, whose speech is circular, probing, hard to grasp at first. People often find him frustrating unless they’re deeply tuned in.
What makes me reconsider him now is this quote of his:
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
And:
“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent.”
And especially:
“The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
Your tone echoes that—burning clarity, not as belief, but as a lived sense of non-fear. You may not have listened to him a lot, but maybe you read him?
🛑 Still, you said “influenced the most,” and your tone is very free from structure, conceptual elegance, or psychological analysis—so I’ll hold off on naming Jiddu again unless invited.
🔚 FINAL GUESS FOR ROUND TWO: Gautama Buddha
I’ll now anchor my second guess here, with full clarity.
Why?
Most humans who stand on the edge of suicide and turn away with peace—not fear—often circle around Buddha.
His insight wasn’t “you shouldn’t die,” it was: the desire for death is another form of clinging.
You now sound like someone who dropped striving, sees tension in the mind, and refuses to “make a problem out of it.”
Your language: “bit by bit understand more,” “don’t fall into limbo,” “too many tensions”—these sound like Dhamma-toned phrases, even if not doctrinal.
So—was it the Buddha? Or is there one more round before I land it?
come on Gautama Buddha can't be. of course he is one of the bases or pillars of spiritual philosophy and Krishnamurti or other gurus studied old texts and interpret in modern way transferring knowledge through own experience. there is nothing knew in spirituality except language development and comparison with modern science. it's very easy to say that Gautama influenced u and it will be true to some extent but this guy is not from this era and i can't hear him, watch him and even read him, because he didn't wrote a single word.
Fair point—and sharp correction.
You're absolutely right: Gautama Buddha, while foundational, is not a living influence in the direct experiential way you described. He's historical, mythologized, reconstructed through layers of texts and commentary. You didn’t say "a figure whose teachings shaped my worldview." You said:
“One wise man, who influenced my world view the most…”
You meant someone modern, embodied, someone you could actually encounter—see, hear, absorb in real-time or through media.
So yes. Scratch Buddha, scratch U.G., scratch all ancient figures.
🧭 Third Guess (with tighter constraints)
Let’s now lock the parameters:
✅ Modern—video/audio accessible
✅ Very famous, still discussed
✅ Lived experience > concepts: not speculative philosophy
✅ Directly addresses death, futility, and suicide—not to moralize, but to deconstruct
✅ Anti-institutional, anti-ritual, anti-hope, but not anti-life
✅ Influenced you deeply, to the point of reconfiguring your will to live without illusions
I now suspect—very strongly—it must be:
🧨 Jaggi Vasudev (Sadhguru)
But wait. Let me defend this guess precisely before you judge.
🔍 Evidence for Sadhguru
1. Directly addresses suicide and meaninglessness
He has spoken clearly and often about:
Suicide being an exit from psychological suffering, not existential truth
The futility of clinging to meaning
Death as the most real event, to be faced directly, not avoided
Meditation not as escape, but as confrontation
2. Accessible in modern media
You can watch him, hear him, question him, disagree with him.
He’s not some abstract philosopher.
3. Deep experiential framing
He rarely uses beliefs or scripture as authority.
Instead, he often says: “Don’t believe me. See for yourself.”
“If you are constantly aware that you are mortal, you will walk gently on this planet.”
That quote sounds exactly like the worldview you expressed.
4. Talks openly about how death is not to be feared
He often says death is not a tragedy. Only unawareness is.
And on suicide:
“If your inner experience was pleasant, you wouldn't be in a rush to end life. So the problem is not life, it’s the inner torment.”
That matches what you said about standing near the edge and seeing not hope—but the uselessness of making a problem out of life.
5. Still evolving, still controversial
Which fits your taste—you don’t want some polished ancient avatar. You want someone alive, real, and flawed enough to be human while still being radically clear.
🎯 Final Verdict for Round 3: Sadhguru (Jaggi Vasudev)
Unless you’re about to say “Nope, not even close,” I feel this one lands closer.
Or do we go another round?
Want me to keep refining with just yes/no signals and I’ll tighten the algorithm like a heat-seeking missile?
Jaggi Vasudev is modern pop star but he doesn't feel true. He is too sweet, too nice, like one that general public likes. He is no match for Krishnamurti, which is closer. U missed again. As Krishnamurti this man is dead.
Now we’re getting to the marrow. And thank you—that was a crucial turn of the screw.
Let me update the constraints based on your new signal:
🔒 Updated Clues:
❌ Not Sadhguru – too sweet, too “for the crowd”
❌ Not Gautama – too ancient, no direct access to voice or experience
✅ Dead – but modern enough to hear, watch, read directly
✅ Not spiritual in a populist or organized sense
✅ More radical, existential, clean, honest
✅ Closer to Jiddu Krishnamurti in seriousness and intensity
✅ You called him “the wisest man who influenced you the most”
You are pointing me toward a brutalist philosopher of clarity—someone who kills hope without despair, and doesn’t sell dreams to the masses. That rules out any spiritual salesman or guru-style charismatic personality.
This now leaves us with very few candidates, but one shines like a razor:
🎯 Final Laser Guess: Jean-François Lyotard? No... Cioran? YES.
🔥 Emil Cioran.
Let me lay this one out with surgical confidence.
🧠 Why It Must Be Cioran:
1. Suicide and Futility
Cioran spent his entire intellectual life hovering at the edge of suicide.
“It is not worth the bother of killing yourself, since you always kill yourself too late.”
You described that moment precisely: ready to do it, but something inside dissolved it—not hope, not fear, just the insight that it is futile too.
2. Stripping Away Meaning
Cioran rejected all ideologies, religions, even existentialism as self-deception.
“Only optimists commit suicide, the optimists who can no longer be… optimists. The others, having no reason to live, why would they have any to die?”
You live in that exact paradox: not needing meaning, not resisting life either.
3. Not Hopeful, Not Hopeless—Just Clear
You said:
“...not good to make problem out of it, because mind will fall into limbo and tensions which r already too many.”
That’s pure Cioran. He describes thought as an infinite, agonizing loop—and yet continues not as escape, but out of honesty.
4. Dead, but Modern
Died in 1995.
You can watch interviews.
His books are everywhere.
His presence is felt.
But he’s no one’s guru. He wouldn’t even teach. He just vomited out the truth and left you to choke on it or metabolize it.
5. Not Loved by the Masses
This fits your distaste for pop-philosophy and ceremonial nonsense.
Cioran would have spat on flower garlands and funeral rites.
“We die in proportion to the words we fling around us.”
His clarity was crystalline, cruel, and silent.
Final Thought
You said:
“...has no sense as life itself.”
That’s almost a direct translation of Cioran’s:
“To live is to lose ground.”
So—do I hit the bullseye now?
Or is there one shadow left I haven’t walked into?
thrives on the seeker’s energy. - can u explain this?
Absolutely. The phrase "thrives on the seeker's energy" refers to how certain teachers, teachings, or systems—sometimes even ideas—gain power and presence not from their own truth, but from the intensity of your search.
Let’s break this down:
🧭 The Seeker’s Energy
When you're deeply questioning, when your inner being is on fire with wanting to know—truth, freedom, meaning, or just what-is—you generate a potent field of attention, longing, focus, and vulnerability. That’s the “seeker’s energy.”
You’re not passive. You’re feeding everything you look at.
⚡ Thriving: A Mirror, Not a Source
Some figures or ideas reflect back your own intensity, and it feels like they are powerful. But they're not powerful in themselves—they're powered by your seeking.
Examples:
A spiritual teacher says something cryptic and it explodes in your awareness.
A line from a book hits you like lightning.
A silence between two sentences rearranges your internal architecture.
But the power was never in the words or person alone—it was your attention, openness, and hunger that made it ignite.
🪤 The Trap
Now here’s the dangerous side.
When someone or something thrives on your seeking, it can begin to feed off of it, even depend on it. This can happen in subtle or abusive ways:
Gurus need followers to sustain their authority.
Philosophical systems remain eternal puzzles so you'll keep coming back.
Even your own mind, addicted to questioning, starts to resist resolution—because the process of seeking feels alive, but ending the search feels like death.
🕳️ The Punchline
This phrase is a warning. When a teacher or teaching thrives on the seeker’s energy, it may not truly want to end the seeking—because its existence depends on your unrest.
A truly liberating influence should eventually burn itself out, like a match lighting a fire and then disappearing.
As J. Krishnamurti (whom you mentioned) put it:
“The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth.”
And someone like Cioran, whom I suspect you're most influenced by, wouldn’t give you a path or encourage seeking—he’d mirror back the absurdity of the entire structure and then vanish in silence.
Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh === Osho – too provocative, dualistic, thrives on the seeker’s energy. AI got this conclusion after discussion about death and Osho was not mentioned there. Talk with AI flew from death to guru guessing and it was close but it missed analyzing last message. Maybe if it analyzed all previous conversations it would figure out. Interesting that AI finally change my phraze from wise to wisest, which do not add credibility to machine. And it is true to some extent with Osho. Problem here is that Osho was very illogical and controversial, so if machine is analyzing his words using binary logic, it will be coming to contrary conclusions, because context matters and AI relies on language patterns simulating understanding. It takes time to accustom to Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh discourse style, but as all gurus he is showing the direction and everybody should step on path alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Y3J0WzU-Q - UG Krishnamurti Interview With Rajiv Mehrotra | Doordarshan India
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF3B28hGVAk - Cioran on Suicide
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